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Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9947	Posted - 2014.09.30 23:02:00 - [1] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Or you could actually try to help other people enjoy the game instead of looking for tears...imagine that. Why would I possibly want to help people who spew vile insults and send me death threats because I blew up their pixels? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9948	Posted - 2014.09.30 23:48:00 - [2] - Quote Economic justification my ass. Try getting into the implant market, and telling me that podding isn't a strict necessity to keep the economy going. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9962	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:59:00 - [3] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: And again, ask the gankers themselves, they will freely admit that a lot of what they are doing is enjoying TEARS. They are a delightful side effect to something I would be doing anyway. Apparently this means I should be banned according to your armchair internet psychology. Brilliant deduction, but lets see what the verdict says? Oh, nope. Turns out I've been doing this for the last five years solid across six different EVE accounts and I haven't been banned yet. Oh, I am still waiting for you to try and reconcile your "I am looking at actions" on the fact that carebears are responsible for vastly more abusive language than any other demographic in EVE Online. Since their intent is not relevant, surely you would have no problem with them being perma banned for so flagrantly violating the EULA so often? I fully expect you to dodge that last question, by the way. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9964	Posted - 2014.10.02 02:51:00 - [4] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if she was seeing other dudes tbh. She was a bit like a fart that way. I always had to pretend she wasn't mine when in public. Been there with purple hair. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9975	Posted - 2014.10.02 18:57:00 - [5] - Quote La Rynx wrote: CCP acts on RL threats Not that I can tell, no. I have been hearing more and more testimonials lately from "bad guys" in this game who say that CCP specifically does NOT act on real life threats. And besides that I have my own experience with such a thing, in which CCP did nothing. Quote: They also can see when RL threats where provoked by previous actions of the aleged "victim" No action taken in a videogame can "provoke" someone into committing a violation of the terms of service, or real life stalking. The fact that you seem to think that an action taken in a videogame justifies real life crimes and death threats tells me a lot. Not the least of which is that you are a despicable scumbag who should be chased out of this game for the sake of decent people everywhere. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9975	Posted - 2014.10.02 19:03:00 - [6] - Quote Let me clear something up, for all of you dirt-for-brains carebear scum around here. If I blow up your ship, you are not a "victim" of anything. That is an interaction that you expressly agreed to when you signed up for this game. If I laugh at you afterwards, too damn bad; I am allowed to derive satisfaction from victory, even if it is only over worthless excuses for gamers like you. If you threaten my life, or the lives of my loved ones? You are the offender, every time. It does not matter in the slightest what happened in the game up to that point, the second you flip your lid and start screaming death threats or vile sexual insults at me, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG, no exceptions. You are the only real "bad guys" in EVE Online. And the fact that this routinely happens in the game, and no one is punished, is something that CCP should be ashamed of. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9977	Posted - 2014.10.02 19:24:00 - [7] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Look at the underlined. Look at how it's an attack on real people. It's not an attack. That's a statement of fact, anyone who thinks that videogame actions justify real life threats probably has sediment between their chin and their hair. Nor is it an attack on "real people". I am characterizing them entirely by their expressed beliefs, and by their actions taken in a videogame. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9986	Posted - 2014.10.03 21:51:00 - [8] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: So what do you get out of popping an empty shuttle? A chance to pop the pod of the player inside, duh. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 10003	Posted - 2014.10.06 12:40:00 - [9] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: What is the increase in demand per ship ganked? For the most part, 1 to 1. They lost one ship, they need one ship. The only variance is that they may buy a different ship or stop the activity that got them ganked, but that's an outlier. Quote: And what fraction of the market do you control? It's not about the entire thing, you pusillanimous imbecile. It's about what you control near the gank area. If I am the only person who sells Procurers, Retrievers and mining lasers in Teonusude, then I benefit directly from every ganked ship, since most people would rather eat a ten percent markup if it's right in system. If I am one of two people, then I benefit on about a 50/50 scale. That is incredibly beneficial. Quote: Calculate your marginal profit per gank and you will realize how absurd that angle is. The people who actually bother to do the math are the ones helping to fund the ganking. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 10003	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:01:00 - [10] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: You must be kidding me. There is no way there is a 1-1 correlation for ganks and ships purchased. Many victims give up the occupation or leave the game entirely. Citation needed. Quote: Many others cannot afford to replace the ship. Ten million is not really asking that much. Even mining pays well enough to replace Retrievers and mining lasers now and then. Quote: Local monopolies are of little value when the guy can just go to jita and buy it for cheap. Good luck extracting economic rent based on avoiding a 20 minute Jita. The idea that masses of gank victims are going to go next door to replace their losses at a significant markup is nothing shy of delusional. My wallet disagrees. Aside from scamming, implants and POS fuel(and my God, the fuel market sucks so much), that's how I make my money. Quote: The people who support ganking are those looking for entertainment and tears. That's why I do it, certainly, and while I'm not alone, you can't paint us all with that brush. The economic incentive to me is secondary to seeing people I dislike get blown up. Quote: How many of the top CODE shareholders are ship manufacturers of repute? Name me a few "ship manufacturers of repute", why not. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.

Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 10003	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:21:00 - [11] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: 1. People frequently come on the forums and explain that they are leaving eve because of out of control suicide ganking. Citation needed. Quote: It's also an extremely rational economic response to stop mining if you get ganked. It's an extremely rational response, period, to not mine. Idk about anyone else here, but my $15 a month does not get paid for me to be perpetually bored. Quote: Number of people from manufacturing corps? 0. Today I learned that alts don't exist. Try harder, Veers. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 10003	Posted - 2014.10.06 18:47:00 - [12] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: baltec1 wrote: Generally you look at the cargo. You are soooooooooo old fashioned man....time to retire. The new meta is to blow up empty ships and concoct incredibly unlikely reasons why this is somehow profitable. Time to embrace the new age. Yeah, you would had to have ignored everything I said debunking this bullshit you just said, since otherwise you couldn't carry on with your narrative. Which is, as I already laid out, complete nonsense. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 10003	Posted - 2014.10.06 19:19:00 - [13] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Yes, you have conclusively proved that blowing up empty freighters is now a profitable activity, defying all known laws of economics in the process. Congratulations. That isn't what I said, although I freely believe that you are capable of either blithely ignoring it because it completely disproves your assertions, or that you are actually stupid enough to not understand what I said. Both are equally plausible in my estimation. That, or you're just on drugs again. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.

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